Muslims and Dialogue
To Muslims, generating dialogue in the United States is to convince the Infidel that we have it all wrong, Islam is peaceful but misunderstood, Muslims are decent but fearful, devout but distrustful, cooperative yet victimized. And if we are not careful, the implied threat is that Muslims will withdraw all their attempts for outreach and become outraged and angry, with a fury that will blot the sun, stir up the seas and result in a firestorm of (enter unspecified reaction here) that we Infidels will regret to the end of time.
Not sure if I want to have neighbors that touchy.
In the last 5 years, since September 11, 2001, a lot of Infidels, slowly at first, and now more, have begun to read up on our Muslim friends, and it ain't good. This despite efforts to mislead the Infidel, efforts to rewrite history, denials, accusations, hurt feelings, legal proceedings, riots in the streets, and open outright threats of death. Hugh Fitzgerald stated it would behoove the Infidel to do some study, get a Koran, listen to the clerics, read a few books, learn about taqiyya, kitman, tu-quoque, learn what a Muslim really means by the word "peace". He said 6 months of this would be adequate for a basic understanding of how Muslims function, how the Koran rules, how the ahadith form the rules for living, and why Muslims so fervently believe Muhammed was the perfect human, the ultimate example.
Well, I took Hugh up on it. No longer uneducated enough to be mislead, I can hop on the internet and bypass the Islamic apologizers in the United States and jump straight into news stories from across the world where Muslims are involved in confrontational relationships. Bloody borders indeed.
I believe it when a Muslim cleric, in Saudi Arabia, or Iran, or Indonesia, or the United Kingdom, or Canada, says Islam is to dominate the entire world, that we Muslims get our orders direct from Allah. No need for further explanation or input from the Islamic side is required, as no other viewpoint is allowed in Islam.
An honest and open public discussion of Islam, in Western terminology and among Westerners without interference by Islamic groups, is difficult. Look at CAIR, an organization that heads off public discussion as being insulting to Muslims, bigoted, or in defiance of Muslim rights. I don't want to have a dialogue with Muslims. I prefer to have a discussion with my Infidel brothers and sisters regarding what we are gonna do about the Muslims who want us to submit, or die. Muslims are not welcome to participate. They can observe if they like. But the fact is, the United States is my country, not a Muslim country, and Allah does not own the earth, Muhammed is not sacrosanct, and if I want to draw a picture of him with a black eye and a bloody nose, I will.
Not sure if I want to have neighbors that touchy.
In the last 5 years, since September 11, 2001, a lot of Infidels, slowly at first, and now more, have begun to read up on our Muslim friends, and it ain't good. This despite efforts to mislead the Infidel, efforts to rewrite history, denials, accusations, hurt feelings, legal proceedings, riots in the streets, and open outright threats of death. Hugh Fitzgerald stated it would behoove the Infidel to do some study, get a Koran, listen to the clerics, read a few books, learn about taqiyya, kitman, tu-quoque, learn what a Muslim really means by the word "peace". He said 6 months of this would be adequate for a basic understanding of how Muslims function, how the Koran rules, how the ahadith form the rules for living, and why Muslims so fervently believe Muhammed was the perfect human, the ultimate example.
Well, I took Hugh up on it. No longer uneducated enough to be mislead, I can hop on the internet and bypass the Islamic apologizers in the United States and jump straight into news stories from across the world where Muslims are involved in confrontational relationships. Bloody borders indeed.
I believe it when a Muslim cleric, in Saudi Arabia, or Iran, or Indonesia, or the United Kingdom, or Canada, says Islam is to dominate the entire world, that we Muslims get our orders direct from Allah. No need for further explanation or input from the Islamic side is required, as no other viewpoint is allowed in Islam.
An honest and open public discussion of Islam, in Western terminology and among Westerners without interference by Islamic groups, is difficult. Look at CAIR, an organization that heads off public discussion as being insulting to Muslims, bigoted, or in defiance of Muslim rights. I don't want to have a dialogue with Muslims. I prefer to have a discussion with my Infidel brothers and sisters regarding what we are gonna do about the Muslims who want us to submit, or die. Muslims are not welcome to participate. They can observe if they like. But the fact is, the United States is my country, not a Muslim country, and Allah does not own the earth, Muhammed is not sacrosanct, and if I want to draw a picture of him with a black eye and a bloody nose, I will.
posted by mike at 12:49 PM
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EUROPEAN UNION ISLAMOPHOBIA INSPECTION
"Allah does not own the earth, Muhammed is not sacrosanct, and if I want to draw a picture of him with a black eye and a bloody nose, I will." - THIS COMMENT IS UNNACCEPTABLE.
I regret to inform you that this weblog and some of its comments have been identified as potentially Islamophobic. Under EU Directive DCLXVI it is compulsory for all contributors to websites accessible from the European Union to take the following Islamophobia test:
YOU MAY BE AN ISLAMOPHOBE IF...
(1) You refer to the midwinter holiday as 'Christmas'.
(2) You save loose change in a p***y-bank.
(3) You allow your children to read unexpurgated versions of Winnie the Pooh.
(4) You doubt whether it's politically correct to stone rape victims.
(5) You believe that the earth is round.
(6) You think there's something weird about a 50 year old man marrying a six year old girl.
(7) Your children have Barbie dolls or Teddy Bears
(8) You object to being a second class citizen in your own country.
(9) You fail to celebrate cultural diversity when your daughter is gang-raped for not wearing a headscarf.
(10) You think government policy should be determined by your elected representatives rather than a howling mob.
(11) You object to your taxes being used to support people who are plotting to kill you.
(12) You aren't convinced that 'Jihad' means 'Inner Spiritual Struggle'.
(13) You don't understand why the Jews must be exterminated.
(14) You allow your children to play with LEGO.
(15) You aren't married to at least one of your cousins.
(16) You sometimes have doubts about BBC reporting.
(17) You occasionally wonder what's inside those walking tents.
(18) You realise that taqiyya is not a Mexican beverage.
(19) You believe moderate Muslims ride unicorns.
(20) You don't appreciate the multicultural need for Methodist grandmothers to be body-cavity searched before boarding aircraft.
(21) You claim to understand the words "Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them", even though you don't speak Arabic.
(22) You object to taxpayers' money being spent for terrorists to hold a festival to commemorate the anniversary of their massacres.
(23) You have reservations about 'faith schools' where the kids will be taught that you and your family are najis (excrement), at public expense.
(24) You don't understand why flying your country's flag has become a hate-crime.
(25) You don't appreciate why it is so insensitive and offensive for the police to prevent oppressed minorities venting their frustration by mass murder.
EVALUATING YOUR SCORE
How many of the questions did you answer 'YES' ?
On a scale of 0 to 25
0 you are a Dhimmi
1 to 5 you are a Najis Kaffir
6 to 10 you are an Islamophobe
11 to 15 you are a Thought Criminal
16 to 20 you are an Enemy of Allah
21 to 25 you are a Zionist Crusader offspring of pigs and monkeys.
Fatwas are automatically awarded for all scores above 5
Fatwas will be posted in plain brown paper envelopes generously sprinkled with ricin, anthrax, sarin or cobalt-60.
There's a very insightful comment by 'Columba' about why it's impossible to reason with Muslims, at
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/012989.php#comments
"It's significant that most other belief systems (including secular ones) base their truth claims on ... well, truth. Someone converting to the belief system would do so on the grounds that the system had somehow proven itself to be a valid way of looking at everything.
Islam's call to conversion is entirely different; it's based on power. Not just the threat "convert or die," but even the claim that "Islam is stronger," a claim we've been hearing more frequently these days. Not that it's true, but that it holds power.
There's little attempt to convince intellectually, but rather a call to join the winning army: might makes right. And that's a powerful appeal to people already inclined toward arrogance and violence."
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