Civil Liberties
I recently listened to a radio interview with Naomi Wolf. She has many books, the lastet being "The End of America: Letter of Warning To A Young Patriot". She discussed how the United States is being set up for take over by a dictatorship, step by step, without us realizing what is going on. But in the end it was the suggestion that we have a populist uprising, with impeachment and prosecution of leading government figures, along with an investigation "wherever it leads", that soured me, considering the impeachment and prosecution process would target those who are trying to counter a threat to the United States (wherever that might end).
We have an external threat, and saying we are losing our civil liberties while a small subset of our society does something about it makes no sense. The individual is very important in our society, but to say that the individual takes precedence OVER the society is not right. It is a weird logic, that ascribes civil liberties to those not entitled to them, and then uses the argument that this protects my own.
Please remember, it is not you or me that they are looking for. And they are not going to come for you or me afterwards, either.
Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin, compared to President Bush? There we go again. Old Germany, Austria, Italy, and Russia cannot be compared to present day United States. People in the past never had the type of government we have, they were never based on millions of individual decisions made in the course of daily life in a capitalist society. The United States is the antithesis of central government.
The Espionage Act, the Sedition Act, the House Un-American Activities Committee, blacklists of Hollywood entertainers all were reactions to the threats of that era. Considering the violence involved in the establishment of communist governments, and the millions of people who died as a result, the threat of nuclear weapons being used, the potential for infiltration into the government, these things were reasonable in the light of protecting the country.
People are going to get upset, discuss and debate the issue of wiretapping, email data mining, Guantanamo, monitoring the mosques, shutting down organizations which funnel money to groups that threaten us, but these things are done using the modern technologies available to counter threats. We don't have to be pleased that this is happening, any more than we have to be pleased that a state trooper points a radar gun at us while going down the road. Like I said, it isn't you or me he is looking for.
Saying we are one step away from suspending the constitution after another major internal attack on the United States is NOT an indication of how close to dictatorship the "government" has taken us. It is a warning that we do have a big problem on our hands, our own system of freedom is being used against us, and we had better well do something about it. Dealing with major threats from outside the United States is not the responsibility of the individual patriot, it is the job of the President, with the options he has available.
Attempting to relate to 10 steps that have been used to shut down previous democracies is like reading Nostradamas. Hell, my MOTHER used to listen to my phone calls, looked at my mail, sent me to my room summarily without a trial, sent me to bed without dinner and monitored my behavior, sometimes by using spies in my own neighborhood (other parents).
We don't have internal and external threats being invoked as if they are some fantasy, they are real. The free press is not being shut down, it is still free to promote whatever agenda it wants. We don't have a military big enough to subdue the country, and local law enforcement people live in our own neighborhoods. And when small groups of patriots even TRY to do something about problems the government can't or won't do anything about, it is routine to castigate them. Even the suggestion that we keep an eye out in our neigborhoods for unusual happenings is interpreted as profiling. Geez.
My humble opinion is that the "civil liberties" argument is a fake. In the United States, life has changed quite a lot since the beginning of the Republic. When our Constitution was ratified, and the Bill of Rights added, civil liberties actually meant something to people who were more self sufficient than we are today. It meant "you will be able to go about your business, and the government will not interfere with you as you live your life". And life was a lot tougher too.
Nowadays, nearly everyone is dependent. It is the rarest of people who can honestly claim to be even partially self sufficient. The modern American is one who has a job earning enough money to purchase goods and services they don't provide for themselves. Even more, the modern American has no incentive to learn any skill or trade to make them less dependent, even if it is growing vegetables in the garden. The creation of well paying jobs has meant economic freedom for whoever wants it. But the price we pay for the easier life is dependency.
So, as a dependent person, what are you worth to everyone else or society in general? Considering this, should we really be whining about civil liberties when we can't take care of ourselves or even help those near us?
Fact is, after the next major attack, you won't be worried about having your emails data-mined or your phone conversations listened to. You will be wondering how come there is much less food at the grocery store.
We have an external threat, and saying we are losing our civil liberties while a small subset of our society does something about it makes no sense. The individual is very important in our society, but to say that the individual takes precedence OVER the society is not right. It is a weird logic, that ascribes civil liberties to those not entitled to them, and then uses the argument that this protects my own.
Please remember, it is not you or me that they are looking for. And they are not going to come for you or me afterwards, either.
Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin, compared to President Bush? There we go again. Old Germany, Austria, Italy, and Russia cannot be compared to present day United States. People in the past never had the type of government we have, they were never based on millions of individual decisions made in the course of daily life in a capitalist society. The United States is the antithesis of central government.
The Espionage Act, the Sedition Act, the House Un-American Activities Committee, blacklists of Hollywood entertainers all were reactions to the threats of that era. Considering the violence involved in the establishment of communist governments, and the millions of people who died as a result, the threat of nuclear weapons being used, the potential for infiltration into the government, these things were reasonable in the light of protecting the country.
People are going to get upset, discuss and debate the issue of wiretapping, email data mining, Guantanamo, monitoring the mosques, shutting down organizations which funnel money to groups that threaten us, but these things are done using the modern technologies available to counter threats. We don't have to be pleased that this is happening, any more than we have to be pleased that a state trooper points a radar gun at us while going down the road. Like I said, it isn't you or me he is looking for.
Saying we are one step away from suspending the constitution after another major internal attack on the United States is NOT an indication of how close to dictatorship the "government" has taken us. It is a warning that we do have a big problem on our hands, our own system of freedom is being used against us, and we had better well do something about it. Dealing with major threats from outside the United States is not the responsibility of the individual patriot, it is the job of the President, with the options he has available.
Attempting to relate to 10 steps that have been used to shut down previous democracies is like reading Nostradamas. Hell, my MOTHER used to listen to my phone calls, looked at my mail, sent me to my room summarily without a trial, sent me to bed without dinner and monitored my behavior, sometimes by using spies in my own neighborhood (other parents).
We don't have internal and external threats being invoked as if they are some fantasy, they are real. The free press is not being shut down, it is still free to promote whatever agenda it wants. We don't have a military big enough to subdue the country, and local law enforcement people live in our own neighborhoods. And when small groups of patriots even TRY to do something about problems the government can't or won't do anything about, it is routine to castigate them. Even the suggestion that we keep an eye out in our neigborhoods for unusual happenings is interpreted as profiling. Geez.
My humble opinion is that the "civil liberties" argument is a fake. In the United States, life has changed quite a lot since the beginning of the Republic. When our Constitution was ratified, and the Bill of Rights added, civil liberties actually meant something to people who were more self sufficient than we are today. It meant "you will be able to go about your business, and the government will not interfere with you as you live your life". And life was a lot tougher too.
Nowadays, nearly everyone is dependent. It is the rarest of people who can honestly claim to be even partially self sufficient. The modern American is one who has a job earning enough money to purchase goods and services they don't provide for themselves. Even more, the modern American has no incentive to learn any skill or trade to make them less dependent, even if it is growing vegetables in the garden. The creation of well paying jobs has meant economic freedom for whoever wants it. But the price we pay for the easier life is dependency.
So, as a dependent person, what are you worth to everyone else or society in general? Considering this, should we really be whining about civil liberties when we can't take care of ourselves or even help those near us?
Fact is, after the next major attack, you won't be worried about having your emails data-mined or your phone conversations listened to. You will be wondering how come there is much less food at the grocery store.

